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Post by CrazyBrit on Mar 23, 2021 20:13:54 GMT -8
Thanks Russ. It looks in really good condition. I'll leave it.
The transmission is now in and the new brake lines aft of the T piece are all connected up. I had to replace these lines because everything is in a different position to where it was before.
Then I ran into a snag. It appears that I have the wrong throw out bearing. The chaps at AVR said it was a crap shoot for an IRS twin side plate gearbox. I wish they'd asked if there was a collar around the output shaft. Apparently this dates the transmission as a 1971 model or later. They sent me one for up to 1970... I had hoped to have the engine in before I go back to work this weekend, but that's now looking very unlikely.
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Post by Rob Sannes on Mar 23, 2021 20:26:40 GMT -8
Mabey contact Clay Chernoff he listed some early and late throwout bearings for 20.00 each.
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Post by stude on Mar 24, 2021 6:27:14 GMT -8
Some pressure plates have a removable collar.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Mar 24, 2021 12:40:04 GMT -8
The pressure plate does have a removable collar. I spoke with Rob at AVR this afternoon, and he is going to ship me the correct throw out bearing and he will take the other one back. Their customer service has been top notch.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 8, 2021 16:47:41 GMT -8
I'm trying to install the motor, but it is stopping around 3/4 inch short of the bellhousing when I push it in place. I can just manage to get a nut on the lower studs, but am finding that it is moderately tight when I tighten the nut. When I tightened the lower studs, the upper side of the engine was pushed out from the bellhousing. I have fitted the Kennedy stage 1 clutch and cush lock pressure plate as recommended. They were installed with a plastic clutch alignment tool. Are these clutches normally tight when installing the engine? It seems as though it is exerting pressure against me as I am trying to slide the engine forward into position. Nothing else is binding as best as I can see.
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Post by owdlvr on Apr 8, 2021 17:44:55 GMT -8
Three things:
First, is the transmission in neutral? If you rotate the crank pulley can you hear/feel the splines? What about if you put the engine in gear? If the splines aren't lined up, the motor will jam like you've experienced.
Second, it's possible to push the clutch out of alignment when you first get the input shaft in there, but rare. I've done it once before. Pull the engine back, and confirm with your clutch tool it's still lined up.
Third, sounds like classic late clutch bearing and early pressure plate mismatch. But I think you solved that with new bearing or something?
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Post by Rob Sannes on Apr 8, 2021 18:06:59 GMT -8
One time I forgot to back off the clutch cable adjustment before the installation and it gave me trouble, obviously the transaxle is clearanced for the 200mm flywheel.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 8, 2021 18:36:24 GMT -8
It was in gear, but now in neutral. I have checked the alignment three times and the tool slips in and out with ease. I removed the collar from the pressure plate, so it should be compatible with the later style style throw out bearing and transmission. The clutch cable is slack and the throw out bearing is sitting against the bolts holding the collar on the transmission, but it feels like the clutch is pressing against the bearing when I push the engine in.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 8, 2021 18:50:33 GMT -8
I took the clutch off and tried the friction plate on the splines. It won't slide on. So I tried the old one and that won't go on either. It looks like there is some light corrosion, so it looks like this is preventing it sliding on, unless there are different sized input shafts?
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Post by Rob Sannes on Apr 8, 2021 18:55:55 GMT -8
I took the clutch off and tried the friction plate on the splines. It won't slide on. So I tried the old one and that won't go on either. It looks like there is some light corrosion, so it looks like this is preventing it sliding on, unless there are different sized input shafts? No the input shaft size is the same. Wire wheel the input shaft and you should be good.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 8, 2021 19:45:15 GMT -8
Fixed. I ran a sharp screwdriver through the grooves, then gave it a good wire brush. I used a scrap plate with some valve grinding paste and repeatedly slid it on and off the shaft. Then I cleaned it with solvent and a toothbrush and it's good as new. It looked just like surface rust on there and I had applied a light coating of grease. Who would have thought that would prevent the plate from sliding on? Hopefully I'll get the motor in tomorrow evening. Thank you for the advice Rob and Dave.
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 10, 2021 19:17:28 GMT -8
Still battling with this. 😡🤬
The clutch friction disc fits on its own. The engine fits with the pressure plate attached. But it won't go in with the friction plate in the clutch. Makes absolutely no sense at all. I've tried it in gear, out of gear, with the flywheel parallel to the bellhousing, angled down, angled up. The only way I haven't tried is upside down!!!! It's driving me nuts and that's not a very long drive right now
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 10, 2021 19:24:25 GMT -8
Immediately after I wrote that, it plopped in! I must have had this engine in and out 25 times over the last few days - no exaggeration!😃😄😁🥳🥳🥳🥳
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Post by magikbus on Apr 11, 2021 18:32:27 GMT -8
Rob and I fought for a couple of hours with an engine in Betsey. It would go in to about 3/4" to final fit and no more. It was on a movable platform so we could move it in and out easily but to no avail. We pulled it out all the way to see what could be keeping in it and there in the cement was a crack that was binding the wheels of the platform. Moved the whole van back an inch and it fit right in no problem. Grrrrr. You never know what gremlin will creep in to ruin an afternoon. Stan
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Post by CrazyBrit on Apr 11, 2021 19:01:00 GMT -8
LOL. There was no crack in the garage floor. I think that the problem was purely due to the friction plate being such an exact fit on the splines. In the past there has always been a small amount of play, but with this one there was none, so it would only slide on when it was perfectly aligned.
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