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Post by busaddict on Oct 23, 2016 10:58:36 GMT -8
From the pages of Field & Stream December 1970, funny how this product line is timeless.
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Post by PICTUP on Oct 23, 2016 17:55:12 GMT -8
I have the red one in the pic I think. It is a model 200 from 68-69 I think. Are they an okay model to have? I wish it came with the carrying case If you watch my camping movies from back in the day you can see my mum making breakfast on the griddle(Coleman) on the Coleman Stove. The best way to have breakfast...all the bacon fat in the pancakes and eggs...mmmmmmmm! Back in the late 80's up in the Arctic we had a Coleman oven that went on the stovetop. Worked great!
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Post by busaddict on Oct 23, 2016 20:09:10 GMT -8
Thanks Don, the red one appears to be a Coleman 200A that runs on kerosene (?) a more messy but cheaper fuel these days. Here's another ad, Popular Science from September 1952. Brent, we both have these stoves. Build like a tank, mine was originally owned by my grandfather. I have a distinct memory of making hot dogs on it at the lake.
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Post by busaddict on Nov 1, 2016 21:08:42 GMT -8
This would also qualify for the Thrift Store Finds thread, but I had to put it somewhere. Here we have a legendary Coleman 335 gas lantern made in Canada circa 1970. I'd wanted one of these and I came across one for $7 and made the decision that I DO need another Coleman appliance in my life It came in the original box with the instructions and a spare mantle, vintage price .99 cents. It cleaned up well, just a few spiders, I think it hadn't been used in many years. What I really like about this model other than its Canadian appeal is the simple and superior valve type, the style before they started using those fiddly Schrader valves which to their credit do offer the ability to adjust the brightness. It has a cool device on the side to clean the generator by turning it. Fired up first time with what must be a very old yet intact mantle. upload images Update 11/01/16: Here's a segment from the Coleman 335 owner's manual, it doesn't say not to use gasoline, but mentions "clean 'unleaded'" which it equates with naphtha.
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Post by busaddict on Oct 19, 2017 17:13:30 GMT -8
I found another Coleman 335 recently and took it camping. I noticed the flame was a bit yellow, but this might be due to the fact I was burning some vintage Coleman Fuel. The gallon can had a price tag that showed something around 6 dollars! Apologies for not having a picture with it running. Oh! It was 5 bucks at a swap 'n' shop, but needed a new mantle.
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Post by Wongai on Oct 20, 2017 9:17:06 GMT -8
Looks pretty clean! Ripper!
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Post by magikbus on Oct 20, 2017 19:05:05 GMT -8
Thanks Don, the red one appears to be a Coleman 200A that runs on kerosene (?) Nope, Coleman fuel. The 200s don't have a large enough air tube supply system to run successfully on Kero. They can't even be successfully converted. Models like the 242 however can. I've converted all of my 242s except one to run on Kero. Much brighter and hotter. The hotter part is not to be ignored because in a Westy that heat on a cool winters' night can be welcome. Anyone who has a liquid fuel Coleman lantern that needs fettling (the Coleman nerd technical term for fixing), let me know. Stan
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Post by magikbus on Oct 20, 2017 19:17:25 GMT -8
Update 11/01/16: Here's a segment from the Coleman 335 owner's manual, it doesn't say not to use gasoline, but mentions "clean 'unleaded'" which it equates with naphtha. Please Please do NOT use RUG (regular unleaded gasoline) in Coleman lanterns especially in any enclosed locations. They emit really really bad poisonous fumes when running on automotive fuel and the generators clog up in much shorter time than when running on clean "white" gas (Coleman fuel/naptha). Many years ago when the above advert was published, unleaded automotive gasoline used to be relatively clean naptha but that fuel has gone the way of the Dodo bird decades ago. The only other fuel that some liquid fuel lanterns can safely and efficiently burn is clean white kerosene in specific models of lanterns. Models 242 (converted), 249, 339, and 639, are the most common while models like the 241 are also designed exclusively for kero but are rare as hen's teeth. Some experts have been able to get 335s to burn kero but it takes some skilled fettling to make it happen. Stan
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Post by 68IIIbuggy on Oct 21, 2017 8:12:51 GMT -8
Thanks Don, the red one appears to be a Coleman 200A that runs on kerosene (?) Nope, Coleman fuel. The 200s don't have a large enough air tube supply system to run successfully on Kero. They can't even be successfully converted. Models like the 242 however can. I've converted all of my 242s except one to run on Kero. Much brighter and hotter. The hotter part is not to be ignored because in a Westy that heat on a cool winters' night can be welcome. Anyone who has a liquid fuel Coleman lantern that needs fettling (the Coleman nerd technical term for fixing), let me know. Stan What's involved in converting one to kerosene? A different generator, I assume, and maybe some method of preheating? I have an old lantern that belonged to my grandfather. When I took possesion of it I recall my dad saying he thought it had been converted to run on kerosene. Is it easy to tell at a glance if it's set up for kerosene?
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Post by magikbus on Oct 21, 2017 8:32:27 GMT -8
If it has a pre-heat cup it might have been converted but the only way to really tell is to fill it with kero and light it up. If it hasn't been properly converted it will run dim and smoky.
It also depends on the model. If it's a "related" model like the 335s (Coleman fuel only) and the 339s (kero) then all you have to do is to change the 335's generator and add a pre-heat cup. With other models like the 220 series they don't have a related kero model so you have to take their generator, switch the nipple with a kero nipple from a kero generator (which are generally smaller) take the generator apart and change out the wire spring with a piece of copper shielding etc. etc. These attempted conversions have haphazard results. There's over 5,000 members on the Coleman forum so there are lots and lots of descriptions of attempts at these procedures. Today's stats. "Topics: 40,522, Posts: 575,028 , Members: 5,240
Then there are those lanterns that have smaller air tubes for Coleman fuel that are just too small for the larger air supplies needed for kero. Kero runs hotter (it has a higher heat density) and therefore needs a smaller nipple and larger air tubes than CF (Coleman Fuel) just like any carburetor on a car. Those like the 200's make poor candidates for kero conversions. The most common problems in Coleman lanterns are a result of hardened fuel cap gaskets leaking (loses pressure), gummed up valve stems, and clogged generators. Most generators can be cleaned. It's not hard but it takes practice and a bit of equipment that can be scrounged or hand made. Stan
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Post by 68IIIbuggy on Oct 21, 2017 9:47:48 GMT -8
Thanks for all the info. I'm going to go dig out my Coleman collection and have a look at them. Where do you source parts, particularly the kero conversion parts?
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Post by magikbus on Oct 21, 2017 17:05:26 GMT -8
www.oldcolemanparts.com/home.phpBut mostly finding junky lanterns at garage sales, flea markets ets. It's amazing that a broken globe will bring down the price of a great lantern to peanuts, while a junky lantern with a great globe will also sell for peanuts, put them together and do the math. Stan
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Post by tony on Oct 21, 2017 17:25:26 GMT -8
Cool website!
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Post by 68IIIbuggy on Oct 21, 2017 17:34:33 GMT -8
Great website. Lots of info on IDing old lanterns. It looks like mine might be a Cabadian made model 237. It's stamped 4 37 under the Coleman logo. Could this mean it's a 1937 vintage?
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Post by Wongai on Oct 23, 2017 9:39:47 GMT -8
My wife has been pretty accepting of the 6 VWs in my "collection". She doesn't seem to mind the piles of parts or my constant VW updates, but she did have a good laugh at me for my detailed review of this lantern thread. She is accusing me of creeping the scope of my hobby ever wider to include more stuff. Gonna need a bigger roof rack! B
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