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Post by clay on Feb 13, 2017 19:00:54 GMT -8
Did you ever have the engine running? It's not unheard of for that to happen in a Beetle but seems harder for water to get onto the engine in a bus.
AE would be for the 1971 or 1972 model year. Your serial number would suggest production between Jan and Jun 1971. Those AEs are desirable cases!
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Post by Volktales on Feb 13, 2017 20:47:41 GMT -8
Sabotage was probably the answer. Given were the bus engine sits, it is well protected from the elements. That cam gear is well toasted.
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Post by doug69van on Feb 13, 2017 21:26:55 GMT -8
I sent one set as an album and that seemed to attach a link to the whole series- which was not my intention. since then, I try to be careful to do as you suggest, copy bottom item from list on right. I can see the pictures- I don't know what I have done to show the cat! We have family dinner Tuesday otherwise I was intending to come to TH. Lots to talk about. Doug
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Post by doug69van on Feb 13, 2017 21:39:20 GMT -8
I find this information Engine codes AE 1584cc (1600) 60 HP 85mm/69mm Bore Stroke 7.5: 1 Comp ration Types 1, 2 From Aug '70 emmission controls (M157).
no I never had it running. I bought in spring from PO Robert from Courtenay Car Centre said he put a new generator in it for his daughter and said it was running when he parked it. She couldn't pay for the parts! The crap in the engine shows signs of rats living there. And many small things that are broken or needing repair that tell me that it had sat for quite some time before I rescued it. Doug
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Post by clay on Feb 13, 2017 22:20:21 GMT -8
From Aug '70 for the 1971 model year. The Volkswagen model year starts on August 1st, so a car built on August 10th, 1970 would be a 1971 model. The AE was the first dual port engine and the 1971 cars were the first model year to receive them. This gets important when you try to find parts for a 1970 Dual Port engine...they don't exist ;-)
When looking at sequence numbers, don't forget the Beetles and Ghias also got the AE engine. Beetle engine production codes started at AE 218 430 in Dec 70 and were at AE 558 001 in Aug 71. The engines were interchangable as long as the holes for the rear support bar were tapped.
I can't help but wonder if the engine wasn't swapped out after not being able to pay for the parts, and this water logged rat infested piece of machinery replaced it. The extent of the corrosion in the cylinder and cam gear definitely indicate it sat like that for quite some time.
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Post by tony on Feb 13, 2017 22:50:38 GMT -8
Well surmised Mr. Holmes!
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Post by PICTUP on Feb 14, 2017 10:05:48 GMT -8
I sent one set as an album and that seemed to attach a link to the whole series- which was not my intention. I have never attempted to make any albums, I just have a library of pics, all in order by date. Photobucket picks up the date your photo was taken, regardless if you try to change the date on your computer by the way, and deposits the pic in the right date slot in the library. It can be a frustrating experience finding an old photo if you try to insert it into your library! But we must persevere for everyone's enjoyment Since then, I try to be careful to do as you suggest, copy bottom item from list on right. I can see the pictures- I don't know what I have done to show the cat! Doug I clicked on one of your kitty cats and see that it says you have moved or deleted the pic. Once in place in your library, you just have to leave it there "in the cloud"* as they call it. It is the only way this site knows what to link to. If we were a huge site that generated money like thesamba, we'd pay for an "in-house" service so pics could never be lost(unless the website were to disappear). But we don't and we just hope that Photobucket doesn't one day kick the, ahem, bucket. *P.S. As an aside, my guess is they called it "the cloud" because the giant servers that make the internet "cloud" are one of the biggest causes of greenhouse gases... and people think cars are the problem We have family dinner Tuesday otherwise I was intending to come to TH. Lots to talk about. Hope to see you next time! Cheers, Don
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Post by doug69van on Feb 14, 2017 16:44:07 GMT -8
lets try these photos again and the crank shaft but the main bearing!!!
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Post by Wongai on Feb 15, 2017 9:24:55 GMT -8
Oh man - That's a lot of work, but you're getting at it! Thanks for taking the time to post your pics and work. Good luck! B
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Post by doug69van on Apr 20, 2017 19:17:12 GMT -8
Any assistance would be appreciated
Regarding My engine from 69 van which may be a 71 block (as previously determined by Serial number)?
I have all pieces apart and need to develop a strategy for doing things in the right order.
Engine case needs a dip to clean ? Do I take it to Thompson's machine shop?
The crank shaft looks fine and bearing surfaces seem fine to my untrained eye but how do I check -- for accuracy (does the crank need machining and new bearings if so what size? and that is reason for my referral to machine shop above )?
my cam shaft is toast and I need NEW- How does one choose right one. I read about numbered cams but then read about assebly shop having numerous cams to choose from to get the right backlash? and cam bearings?
Do I do all this at once? Do I need advice from Thompson's re bearing size? or can I just order from CIP1 ?
Prior thanks for your assistance on this . Doug
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Post by Wongai on Apr 20, 2017 19:23:13 GMT -8
I look forward to someone other than me answering these questions. I too would love to know the answers.
B
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Post by Volktales on Apr 20, 2017 20:17:03 GMT -8
Ok, here are some answers... With regards to cleaning the case, the magnesium alloy cannot be acid dipped like cast iron blocks can. The machine shop will use an industrial washing machine which is basically like a heavy duty dishwasher. It will remove grease and dirt, but will not touch corrosion or very hard baked on deposits. I like to use Super Clean (aka purple cleaner) which is available at Lordco.
The only way to know for sure about your crank bearings is to measure them with a micrometer. The one split centre main bearing and the rod bearings will very likely be stamped STD for standard size, or have other markers to indicate what oversize they may be. Googling the numbers will probably tell you the dimensions were when installed. A quick determination of if the case needs to be line bored, is to look at the condition of the bearing saddles in the case. You will clearly see marks in the saddles where the groove in the backside of the bearing was located. If you can catch your fingernail on the edge line of the groove marking, then the case is worn and a line bore is necessary.
You will need what is known as a four rivet dished camshaft for this engine. With regards to the +/- markings, I don't know what size the replacement cam gear will be. You MUST check camshaft backlash to see if it is acceptable before putting the case halves back together. Basically the crank and cam have to be set in the case half, and then turn the crank, and see if the cam tries to rise up out of its bearings. If it does the backlash is not enough and you need a different cam/gear. I would assume the replacements are made undersize, as too much backlash is less of a problem then not enough...
With regards to a machine shop, I have had issues with the one you mentioned... I would use Victoria before the locals...
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Post by 1hotvw on Apr 20, 2017 21:26:05 GMT -8
heres one ready to go.http://www.kijiji.ca/v-engines-and-engine-parts/kamloops/vw-1900cc-dual-port-motor/1256856466?utm_source=alerts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_alerts
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Post by Wongai on Apr 21, 2017 8:04:58 GMT -8
Good info Volktales! Thanks for the smarts. B
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Post by doug69van on May 1, 2017 21:58:41 GMT -8
I called Ellice Automotive in Victoria today to ask about bringing down my engine case for some special attention.
A line Bore- check the crank shaft and bearings, fit a new cam shaft etc.
they advised they are swamped with work and have no room to even store another engine for a few weeks. I put my name on the waiting list!
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